[Phil] Realistically I think there is a low chance of getting someone elected to the Senate at the next election from any of the currently unrepresented and progressive minor parties - so I really do think that it is in all our interests to have some sort of preference swap that we are all happy with and increases the odds that one of us could get elected. I think we should avoid the “preference whisperer” type approach and keep the deal to progressive parties.
My idea is that we have a “round robin” of preferences such that a binding deal is reached before hand where the group of progressive parties pull a preference circle order out of a hat and each agrees to pass the preferences on to the next group that they draw. That should mean that as the smaller parties are eliminated in the count, the “circle” gets smaller and (hopefully) all the preferences stay in the group. If we are particularly fortunate, and one of the group happens to draw the number one position “above the line” on the Senate ticket for a particular state, (and benefit from the “donkey vote”) they would stand an excellent chance of being elected because all the other progressive votes would eventually flow to that party.
I have made a couple of initial verbal overtures to some of the other smaller parties but nothing of substance yet - it would be good to start the conversation with at least one other party - do you think the APP would be interested in talking?
[Wayne] Thanks for the response Philip. I think the preference circle is a great idea. I suspect the APP would probably be interested in talking, but I’m still feeling my way around at the moment. It is a shame that the relatively small number of people interested in using the political system to try to advance science & technology and work towards a high tech future for Australia already seem to be spread across a handful of parties. Which other parties have you spoken to? I’d imagine that the Future Party is another one that would contain members with views similar to yours and mine.
And thanks for adding me back on Google+ - There is a great tech community growing there if you follow the right people.
[Phil] Maybe we should be thinking about getting all the progressive minor parties together to do some sort of deal on preference swapping? Surely we can do better than what happened at the last election with some groups “gaming” the system?
[Wayne] Hi Philip.
I think a progressive alliance of minor parties is a great idea. I just joined the Australian Progressive Party a couple of days ago, and I think there are probably a fair few commonalities with LESTp (which Mark Bruce just made me aware of.)
The APP’s stated ideology is “Seeking change, particularly change made possible by advances in science, technology, or social organisation, to improve the human condition.”
What do you think?
If you type a “@” you get a list of people that you can address your comments to - this also has the advantage of sending a note to that person so they know that they have been replied to.
I have had a brief conversation with a person in each of the Pirate Party and the Secular Party but the Future Party is an obvious one with much overlap and also, in the case of LESTp, the Voluntary Euthanasia Party has some common interest - except someone in the LESTp mould might want to get frozen rather than being permanently and irretrievably dead!
A full list for contacting might include:
Animal Justice Party
Australian Protectionist Party
Building Australia Party
Bullet Train for Australia
Drug Law Reform
Help End Marijuana Prohibition (HEMP) Party
Non-Custodial Parents Party (Equal Parenting)
Secular Party of Australia
Senator Online (Internet Voting Bills/Issues)
Socialist Equality Party
Stable Population Party
The Australian Republicans
The WikiLeaks Party
Uniting Australia Party
Voluntary Euthanasia Party
Just looking at the names and what little else I know, I’d imagine I at least would have a bit in common with the Sex Party, The Australian Republicans, Senator Online and The WikiLeaks party in addition to the ones you’ve mentioned.
I’m pretty interested speaking to some of the people behind a range of parties, to get a feel for which one’s best match my personal philiosopy and those who are interested in general collaboration.
If you like I can let you know how I go.
Of course! I am really interested in the possibility of co-operation with all these groups so your explorations are of interest!
Very good! I signed up to WikiDot as well - it looks like a useful site. So I will just answer those questions here and you will update the matrix? - Currently these are my personal opinions. BTW, there is a typo in the spelling of “vehemently”:
0 - Firmly and vehmently against
10 - Firmly and vehmently in favour
Basic Income: 10
Creative Commons Licensing: 10
Free and Open Source Software: 10
Genetic Engineering: 10 for curing diseases; 10 for personal genome modification; 10 for personal germ cell modification with strict controls
Human Life Extension: 10 in all it’s forms - biological, synthetic, virtual, Cryonics, Neural Archives, Suspended Animation etc
Privatisation of Public Assets: 0 - as long as all the current and new systems / techs can be efficiently leveraged to maximise efficiency and good
Self Driving Cars: 10 - 100% usage should largely eliminate road accidents and dangerous drivers
Thorium Molten Salt Reactors: 5 - I need more information - there appears to be still legitimate concerns about the tech - maybe update this later
Voluntary Euthanasia: 10 - LESTp would like to talk the VEP about a preference swap - indeed LESTp wants to set up a “Round Robin” preference deal with all the progressive minor parties
This is a small matrix - we really need to be addressing ALL the questions eg from Foreign Policy to Industrial Relations - but we will get to that when we can.
Phil, I thought to get things started I would try to build a policy matrix that I can fill up as I get responses from everyone. I’d appreciate your thoughts on what policies and what parties I should include, and what LESTp’s views are on the various policies.